What the FF? (Faeriefire in 1v1 events)

[Folder]

FF was too strong for sure.

Question - how often was FF being reapplied in these events? I don't play an Elder so I don't really know but I'm curious if even with 1 application the fight is basically over by the time it wears off.

[NiteHawk]

FF was too strong for sure.

Question - how often was FF being reapplied in these events? I don't play an Elder so I don't really know but I'm curious if even with 1 application the fight is basically over by the time it wears off.

Like rok higher wisdom is higher duration but harder to penetrate. At higher WIS it would of been quite a decent time probably.

[Snyper]

I mean ff is to keep slayers off your back but I think what we are getting at here is slayers stand no chance at all being ff'd. In ff current form its an instant win.

Honestly I think druids in general could get re-balanced as a whole (not just ff) they are the tops in 1v1 pvp which isnt super important but its still something. They destory casters and slayers and fair better than most other classes in 1v1. With all these strengths what exactly are their weaknesses? Where is the rock to the druids scissors? I dont think anything really beats them 1v1 besides maybe another druid. they for sure don't have an instant lose like most other classes have and they have more instant wins than other classes.

As someone who has 3 elders, I think with most Druids their bane is low hp cos generally most of them will need to choose balanced races with very low END and not much points invested in CHR. They are quite killable in most situations but 1-1 tends to be a strong point because of their jack of all trades style (which I think is fair enough cos they don't excel at anything else). BUT as you and I have previously observed, there is one race when combined with Druid class is not low hp and pretty much has no weaknesses, often exceeding the best stats of other race/class
combos when morphed (and yes I own one of these elders too, so I'm definitely not speaking out of envy). This combo probably does need looking at, but most other race Druids are quite balanced and definitely don't need nerfing imho.

I'd be ok with restricting to limited number of FFs in events (like healers have on healing) but think ruling out the skill together goes too far. Perhaps as a way of rewarding people who made more balanced Assys (or penalising Druids who chose low INT) restrict it to X number of FF attempts per event fight (thus if you fizzle or unaffect on your X attempts to FF the Assy then tough luck).

Yea i mean overall druids are the best id say at 1v1. Which again isnt a huge deal but a good deal of events focus on 1v1 for some reason. The last 5 koth winners have been elders and If i remember correctly last week it was only elders who got wins last week.

Last 5 koth weeks winners:
Eisin
Eisin (and streak)
Harmony
Harmony
Harmony

I dont think losing FF is going to hurt them too bad it just means they wont have an instant win over slayers. They still have their instant wins over casters and I think a slight edge over other classes.

I guess I could see taking a poll on it because honestly its what the players think is fair in the end. Regardless of the results I think its kind of shined a light on druids might need a rework in terms of 1v1 combat. Maybe in cat form druids need to lose a percentage of their hp (meaning elemental would lose the most while halfling and gnome wouldnt lose as much)

Nerfing their hp in cat form? Hell, why not delete the druid class altogether? Elders do well pvp yes and i admit to abuse FF in a 1v1 event is not balanced but HP is not the issue. If you dont like being casted on, stay off the sauris and horcs. We make sacrifices when we make our crits for the gains in other areas. We dont make sauris to fight wizards. We make them to deal physical damage. We go in knowing we're zot fodder.
Nerfing druid hp is a bullshit hammer to the knee cap for no good reason. My elder has 1080 hp as an elder cat and that can be rounded by a slayer. I could use that as arguement alone to fight to keep FF alive in 1v1 but i admit its not fair to slayers. But i also dont feel its fair to punish them because i chose more int over chr for more hp. Nerfing druids for the sake of slayers is like making slayers all use bone daggers or less so they dont round my elder.

[daedroth]

Give assy/thief a viable alternative to backstab, something not as damaging, but something that will keep them competitive, this will help with a few other issues they have.

[Snyper]

Give assy/thief a viable alternative to backstab, something not as damaging, but something that will keep them competitive, this will help with a few other issues they have.

Careful...
They'll give 'em machine guns. Auto-fire v Faeriefire.

[Folder]

Give assy/thief a viable alternative to backstab, something not as damaging, but something that will keep them competitive, this will help with a few other issues they have.

FF is -supposed- to counter slayers. It's just not balanced for 1v1 fights.

[Folder]

FF was too strong for sure.

Question - how often was FF being reapplied in these events? I don't play an Elder so I don't really know but I'm curious if even with 1 application the fight is basically over by the time it wears off.

Like rok higher wisdom is higher duration but harder to penetrate. At higher WIS it would of been quite a decent time probably.

Yeah I know I was meaning to ask people playing druids in these events. Are they recasting FF much? Snyp's proposal was to let it be cast once so I was curious how much of a difference that would make.

[Snyper]

FF was too strong for sure.

Question - how often was FF being reapplied in these events? I don't play an Elder so I don't really know but I'm curious if even with 1 application the fight is basically over by the time it wears off.

Like rok higher wisdom is higher duration but harder to penetrate. At higher WIS it would of been quite a decent time probably.

Yeah I know I was meaning to ask people playing druids in these events. Are they recasting FF much? Snyp's proposal was to let it be cast once so I was curious how much of a difference that would make.

One cast from Eisin with 24 wis lasts about 3 rounds. Mind you in these events we generally haste and morph before the count to set our stam back to 4. We then have to let the slayer/assy get a free round of stabs off, un morph and cast, remorph, and we're left with 2 stam (that's IF the ff did not unaffect). They're looking at a gimped round from an elder and 3 rounds of no stab damage. Which still adds up, mind you.

[Folder]

Right but is it typically re-applied much?

[Snyper]

Right but is it typically re-applied much?

Well of course. If it isnt restricted it'll keep being applied. If you could prevent , or at least severely hinder, someone from killing you in an event and it's a part of the rules, would you not? Now, i AM in favor of a change or restriction of 1 per fight because i believe it sucks to be constantly crippled in a 1v1 event. In the interest of fairness and all.